The Mocciaverse
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The Mocciaverse
Fish, Fears, and Fotography
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The idiom, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, sounds pretty self-explanatory. You know, it really originated from 16th century European bathing practices where families reused the same bathwater with the baby being washed last. It's kind of a warning not to discard something valuable like the baby when getting rid of the undesirable dirty bathwater.
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SPEAKER_01:Hello,
SPEAKER_00:and welcome to the Motiverse. I'm Lynette. And I'm Skip. See, and you come from a place of ultimate privilege because you're the oldest. So you didn't didn't have to worry about being the last to take a bath even if you lived in like the 1800s
SPEAKER_02:yeah exactly i would be the i would be the first one you know
SPEAKER_00:after dad yeah it's like dad first and then yeah
SPEAKER_02:yeah yeah yeah that's that's that's absolutely true you know and then um you know it's an interesting thing you know you can imagine how that really started because like everything else you know water was scarce Heating it was very difficult to do. Correct. Labor intensive. So they'd often use the same bath water, you know, with the most, like we were just saying, the most important person bathing first, often the man of the house, followed by others in the decreasing status with the baby last, you know. Right. And it's also, what's interesting about that saying, it's also a metaphor for emphasizing the importance of discerning between what is valuable and what is not right dealing with something that's not desirable
SPEAKER_00:right yeah it's kind of like it's similar to the idiom like don't cut off your nose to spite your face yes where why don't you just pay attention to what you're doing and don't make a bigger problem for yourself in the process of you know either not being careful or being angry or spiteful or whatever it is uh in your situation so yeah i love those those are those
SPEAKER_02:are kind of cool you know i mean it was like i say it's a pretty obvious idiom but you know uh it's interesting always seeing the the origin of these say idioms and uh when you hear them and maybe we maybe we date ourselves i don't know if the younger generation uh so he gets it you know uh because they didn't have to worry about bath water
SPEAKER_00:well that's correct yeah that's true and there's a lot of sayings that they're not familiar with it where i'm i'm one of those people who keeps trying to keep them alive you know because i think that kind of thing is important it's an important part of our the way our language evolved and there's one actually that i saw a few weeks ago on facebook and it's it's an idiom that's everybody still uses but i think a lot of people don't understand what it's trying to say they they use it in the right way but they They don't get it like they think it's silly. And that's the you know, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Yeah. And because a lot of people are like, but if you have your cake, you're having your cake. So what if that doesn't make sense? That's both the same thing. But no, no, having your cake isn't the same as eating your cake. Basically, if you eat, you have this beautiful cake and you can either have it and have this beautiful thing and keep it beautiful or you can eat it. and then it'll be gone and you won't have your cake anymore like and people don't get that anymore they're just like what do you mean have it and eat it
SPEAKER_03:right
SPEAKER_00:yeah they were like so they were so confused I felt bad but I several years ago I stopped participating in comment conversations because it gets it got a little out of hand after a while once you start once you start engaging in those kind of conversations in the comment section it's really hard to stop and then you look up and it's two o'clock in the morning and you've just had this really spirited argument with somebody you're never going to meet in your life and they've made you either so mad or you're just determined to make them understand yes
SPEAKER_02:yes
SPEAKER_00:it doesn't matter nobody cares it's just so now I just read them and I yell at the air like you do with movies you know right yeah true so that's good I like that Throw your baby out with the bathwater. So hi, folks. Welcome to the show. I know we already said hi, but we just kind of went right into our discussion, which is great. I like it that way. We're doing some more trivia for you this week. We've got some quick ones and we got some long form ones and we got some regular old ones. Do you want to start or do you want me to start? Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:let me do some quick hitters. Yeah, let's do it. During the 1906 and 1908 Olympics pistol dueling was the sport. And fortunately, the contestants completed using wax bullets and more extensive protection.
SPEAKER_00:My goodness, though. Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_02:It's still kind of serious.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it seems a bit... I mean, I can understand target shooting, but dueling is... I guess you don't have to worry about determining who the winner is. I guess it's pretty obvious, right? Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:it's pretty obvious.
SPEAKER_00:And like... Well, like we talked about in our John Wick Ford discussion, when things hit you, even if you're protected and even if they don't kill you, it still hurts.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So another cool one from the Olympics was in 1936, two Japanese pole vaulters tied for second place. Rather than competing in a tiebreaker, the pair refused to continue. So they could share the podium. When they got back to Japan, they cut their silver and bronze medals in half and fused them together. So each could have half silver and half bronze medal. As someone who likes teamwork, I really like that story. That's really cool.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's very sweet. And it's also a very Japanese thing to do, in my opinion. Yeah, they're all about the bigger picture and fair Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And, you know, someone would say, maybe not so much now, but someone would say, hey, I won, you lost. Well, that's not what the competition is usually about. When they shake hands, if they genuinely shake hands in a way that's what you consider for sports should be all about, because sports is really, it's not serious. It's maybe it's serious with people that are playing it, but it's not. not serious in terms of what its intrinsic value is to society and to
SPEAKER_00:everyday
SPEAKER_02:life.
SPEAKER_00:And also, specifically, when you're talking about the Olympics, yes, it is a competition, and yes, you want to win. But if two people tie from the same country, your country won. I mean, the way the Olympics works, it's about which country wins, you know, a lot of times. And they represented their country equally. So I could totally see how they would say, hey, listen, we both won for our country. Like, yeah, you know, that's that's the way that you should think about things like that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And here's one last quick hitter and then you can hit some, too. And we may have talked about this before, but gladiator sweat was highly sought after in Rome. Oh, it was often mixed into perfumes and used as an aphrodisiac.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not surprised about that at all. I mean, Romans had some interesting taste in, in things like that. But also, but also, I mean, you know how they talk about not wanting to know how the sausage is made. Yeah. It's true that you, you don't want to know how perfume is made either. Like, because I mean, maybe today it's more just chemicals, but back in the olden days, a very large element of perfume was actually like, you know, like wine. Yeah, and
SPEAKER_02:all kinds of other bizarre
SPEAKER_00:things, you know, and that you would not think would be palatable, you know. Most likely from the anal gland of, I think, a beaver or a badger. I can't remember which. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So natural flavor. It's natural. It comes from nature. Natural.
SPEAKER_02:It's natural. Hey, I'll get one quick more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One more quick more. Okay. During Chairman Mao's great leap forward, China waged war on sparrows, which were known to eat the grain grown by farmers. Yes. Unfortunately, they also ate locusts. And the campaign against the sparrows was so successful that the locust populations exploded for years, destroying vastly more crops than the sparrows ever had. What's that saying? Be careful what you wish for or unintended consequences. Don't
SPEAKER_00:throw out the baby with the bathwater. What kind of birds was it that Rowley was trying to encourage with those dumb mosquito houses was it sparrows or was it yeah it was I thought it was sparrows it might have been sparrows remember they didn't want to spray for mosquitoes so they built bird houses everywhere
SPEAKER_02:yeah and they did bat houses too but you're right there was a bird and now that you're saying that I can't remember sparrow or swallow
SPEAKER_00:I think it was
SPEAKER_02:sparrows it could be a swallow you might have hit it there too I don't know which
SPEAKER_00:one
SPEAKER_02:it
SPEAKER_00:is
SPEAKER_02:That's
SPEAKER_00:interesting. or somebody has no idea what it's like, unless they've lived in where we lived near the bar, you know, in Rowley, near the marshes, you couldn't even go out at dusk. Like you just couldn't, it was swarms and swarms and swarms.
SPEAKER_02:There was, yeah, there was an art. There was a, uh, an article one time about that where it was a salt marsh mosquitoes had a range of like 25 miles or something like
SPEAKER_03:that.
SPEAKER_02:And, uh, which really encompassed the whole area. Oh yeah. Yeah. A lot of times, most, not a lot of times, most times with mosquitoes, it's, you know, going out at dusk is when you get attacked. There, it was all day long. That's true.
SPEAKER_00:That's true. Although dusk was really bad. Like you could not.
SPEAKER_02:No, you wouldn't even go out then.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I think we should have gotten one of those, one of those things that Stacy had, you know, remember Stacy had the, the gas powered or propane powered.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:It was like a, well, it, It's really cool, actually. It's powered by propane, like a propane tank that you'd use for either the little ones or the big ones you use for the grill, depending on which model you buy. And all it does is generate a bunch of carbon dioxide, which simulates a person breathing. And the mosquitoes are attracted to that, and that's why they come at you. So all you have to do, really, is just not breathe around mosquitoes.
SPEAKER_02:That's all you got to do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, simple. Yeah, much cheaper, I guess. Don't breathe. oh my gosh i do have some list ones but first before i do that i have one that i picked this a few weeks ago and you probably already know it but i thought it was kind of fascinating and funny so the the fact starts out as this there are 56 species of fish that are sold as snapper in u.s restaurants and this yeah this is all over the u.s and there's so many articles about this and it's part of a larger thing which is like the way that they present seafood in particular in restaurants and why and some of it is conservation thing some of it is just an aesthetics thing so yeah there's a whole bunch of articles about this and in some of the articles they had gathered samples from a bunch of restaurants and they did like DNA testing on the fish and found you know yeah this this wasn't being And I don't know if you remember, but Subway had that controversy a few years back, where their tuna sub, they were like, it doesn't even have tuna. But the problem with the media, the problem, the problem with the media, by the way, we're part of the media. I don't know if you know this. Yeah, the problem with the media is that you can say that and then not really say much else. And then people walk away with that information. So yeah, so So they had tested a bunch of like tuna subs from Subway and found that it wasn't tuna. I mean, it was fish. It just wasn't tuna. And so people were thinking they were thinking the worst because because a couple of years before that, if you remember, we had the Parmesan cheese thing where there's wood pulp in the Parmesan cheese. Yeah. Right. So if you say you if you find out, oh, my gosh, that can of Parmesan cheese that isn't really Parmesan. on cheese you knew it really wasn't parmesan cheese but you're like i had no idea i was eating wood pulp you know i'm basically eating paper um you hear that and then you hear subway has doesn't have tuna and their tuna subs you could be thinking anything at that point what are we eating then right
SPEAKER_02:yeah yeah and oh by the way why would you get a tuna sub but that's
SPEAKER_00:i know i know i know you know what's funny i never understood that i when i was younger i would eat tuna fish you know tuna fish sandwich because that was easy an easy lunch to make right but if i'm going to a sub shop ain't
SPEAKER_02:getting no tuna fish sandwich
SPEAKER_00:no but i know so many people who do they're like oh i'll have the tuna sub i'm like what what i don't know i don't get it sorry to your sub lovers but you
SPEAKER_02:know yeah you're right you know tuna sub yeah but i was just thinking you know that uh the the catholic thing fish on friday
SPEAKER_00:yes you're probably right you're probably right especially you know you've got italian italian sub places uh probably catholic yeah they're probably observing that and so they kind of got used to oh well i have to have a sub today so and i can't eat turkey and i can't eat like meatball sub but i might as well get a tuna you're absolutely right and that's the that's the reason the stupid filet of fish came out mcdonald's
SPEAKER_02:right
SPEAKER_00:the same reason yeah yeah he really wanted um he really wanted pineapple uh ray crock he said he came out with like the hula burger first yeah and he was like oh this will be good for fridays because you know you can eat pineapple just pineapple on a bun with like some sauce and they were all like yeah can we have fish but i don't know i don't really like eating i don't really like eating fish for lunch anyways anymore i don't know it's just
SPEAKER_02:well i i actually do i'll get like a um a taco fish taco when i go to a restaurant which is pretty good
SPEAKER_00:Um, they make them good down here though. It's different. They do.
SPEAKER_02:They do. Yes. And I, I think I've told you before, you know, that was the big thing about Catholic was that's why I thought of it. He was eating tuna on Friday.
SPEAKER_00:You know, that makes sense. I didn't even think about that. I didn't go out that way. So that's perfect. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So the, the snapper thing and other fish at restaurants. So again, some of it is, some of it is just money, right? A restaurant, uh, I guess snapper is relatively expensive and but the name alone sells it you know a person going to a restaurant sees it on a menu they know snapper oh that sounds like something I've had before I like it and they're trying to save a little money so they substitute cheaper kinds of fish and call it snapper and most people won't know the difference because perhaps they don't eat it every day perhaps they eat it occasionally at a restaurant and if you're at a They're just like, wow, this snapper is really good. It's not like the snapper,
SPEAKER_02:you know. Did you know that at this time, snapper season, red snapper season just opened for people fishing, you know, not commercial, but for, you know, for normal people. Not those dirty commercial fishermen. sports enthusiasts and whatever. But yeah, this is snapper season, red snapper season was just started. You could fish for, there's obviously a limit that how many you can get, but you can fish for it. I think with red snapper, red snapper, for example, is just, and the reason it's expensive is because there are not many of them around. And they do, because of that, they do limit the season and how much they can catch correct uh first time i ever had snapper that i can remember was when i was in jamaica and that they are plentiful down there for some reason so
SPEAKER_00:yeah maybe it's not uh maybe it's for the tourists and they eat different ones for themselves or whatever they have the different tastes that they like yeah that's true um yeah so part of it is that too and uh part of it is overfishing because what will happen is you know something becomes very popular and The next thing you know, it becomes scarce because the limits don't catch up quickly enough. And so what a restaurant may do in response to that is not take snapper off the menu or not put a different kind of fish on the menu, but they would have a different fish and call it snapper. There's also other kinds of substitutes in restaurants for fish that are for different reasons, like, for instance, just the name. is changed to make it more appealing like for instance um Chilean sea bass which people know and they they would see it on a menu and ask for it uh you've seen it on tv shows and they're like oh everybody's talking about Chilean sea bass uh well the real name of a Chilean sea bass is Patagonian toothfish so a lot of people if you had never had that before it doesn't the name of it just doesn't sound very appealing you know what I mean so they're not going to be like Like, oh, I'll have the Patagonian Toothfish. That sounds delicious. And Orange Ruffy, which I'm sure you've heard of. The real name of that is Slimehead. So, I mean, can you imagine going into like Harry's, for instance, and ordering Slimehead? You know, I'll have the Slimehead Taco, please. Yeah. So that's that's another reason. And then I don't know if you knew, but the scallops or scallops or whoever, whoever pronounces it, however way you want i'm not going to judge you um most scallops scallops sold in restaurants are actually more likely to be skate stingray or shark now some sources that i saw online are saying it's a myth and you can totally get real scallops but there's still a lot of other sources talking about this so i don't eat scallops so i don't really care all that much but like but it's still a thing so i mean scallops you can imagine are expensive Probably not just because of... popularity not just because of uh supply but also it takes a bit of work to get them and prepare them uh and so it's not just like a a fish that you could just catch right you have to you know it's a it's like a clam or something you have to open it up and you know dress it a certain way and do things to it uh so that that involves a little more labor uh and so So they'll just take like a, they'll just take like a little circle, like a cookie cutter and just cut a circle out of like stingray sometimes. Yeah. And be scallops. Um, I, like I said, I don't, I, I don't eat scallops. I don't like them, but I know a lot of people really love them and maybe that's why I don't like them. Maybe I didn't really have scallops. Like,
SPEAKER_02:yeah, you know, scallops is funny because they, they, they come in different. There's like sea scallops and then there's other scallops. what I call other scallops. And the sea scallops usually are bigger and they can be taken from any number of places. It was interesting as you, as we were talking earlier about the red snapper, it made me think about something that I read once. Actually, I was reading this book and what in the book, you know, a lot of times when you read in books, you know, the authors will do some research so that they have So you learn facts. And one of the facts that is known is that tilapia is really a farm fish. Yes. And one of the reasons that they farm it and they don't put it out into, allow it into the ocean is because they eat up all kinds of algae, all kinds of plants and stuff, and they cause all kinds of problems in the aquatic environment. fields you know right because it's tilapia and that's why they really farm it and they came up with uh one of the things that they tried to and they actually have is called the red tilapia which is a hybrid uh fish which is a cross between a nile and a mozambique tilapia the advantage to that particular fish is that it is more friendly to the you know biology because it's um unlike Like other tilapias, red tilapia can help control aquatic plant problems and consuming floating plantas and algae. So it actually can help the environment. It's interesting. When we were talking about it, it made me think about reading that story and I had never heard of it before. But then when you look into how tilapia is really a farmed fish as opposed to a something that comes natural from the
SPEAKER_00:ocean. Yeah, and if they would let it into natural environments, it would be invasive. It's
SPEAKER_02:an invasive fish. It's very prolific. You know, it's like it's the fish version of bunnies.
SPEAKER_00:Also, all right, so can I have a tilapia then? Yes, you can. Is that what I'm going to settle for? That's what you're going to
SPEAKER_02:settle for.
SPEAKER_00:You still can't have a bunny, but here's a tilapia for you. There you go. Just put it in a little fish bowl in the living room.
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SPEAKER_00:I could farm tilapia instead of having bunnies. That sounds much better. That sounds much better. Yeah, that's interesting, actually. And invasive species are very interesting to me. You know, it's like... the things that are invasive species when you learn about them are interesting. Like the, I mean, the rabbits in Australia, that was a, that was a heck of a problem for a long time. And pigs, certain kinds of pigs that were introduced at whatever point are like destroying like the natural, the natural environment in a lot of places. And you have to like call them and all this kind of business, you know,
SPEAKER_02:there was, there was a thing, a story the other day about, a wild hogs that were destroyed in a cemetery in Florida
SPEAKER_00:oh yeah and that's like in Australia like well in other places too but in Australia they're like on the beaches can you imagine I saw them when I was I don't know if you ever I'm sure you vaguely heard about the fire festival that happened several years ago that whole debacle where the guy was going to have this super high end music festival but it turned out he was just conning everybody and he hadn't done like he had all these people paying all this money to show up in like I forget where it was it was somewhere tropical for this huge music festival he hadn't booked any acts he hadn't built any like tents for people or shelters for people and he was charging them all this money and all these people showed up and all they had was like FEMA tents and like bottled water and like no food like and then it's like raining and all these people were stranded and it was like this huge disaster I think the guy went to jail for it or whatever but he it was like this huge con it was ridiculous it was this you know this young quote-unquote entrepreneur who was trying to do that whole thing but yeah that and but that's why I was thinking about the pigs because what he did to promote this is he had this high high-end photographer take some pictures of some models on the beach like playing around on the beach and this beach that they went to happened to have pigs on the beach in the water and so there's these there's these models like trying to be like playful sexy whatever they were trying to do with like pigs in the in the water and they're like what should i like give him a little kiss
SPEAKER_02:or that didn't quite come out the way they wanted
SPEAKER_00:it to right and they're like oh my god it's so glamorous like this is like the beginning of the influencer business you know it was like the beginning of that kind of thing but yeah you should
SPEAKER_02:shaking the booty is a different meaning
SPEAKER_00:yes exactly if you ever get a chance folks you should check out the documentary about the fire festival I'm sure it's still on Netflix or Amazon or whatever but it was such a disaster but it's kind of like you're just watching it the whole time going this guy is a such an idiot it was really bad but anyway so yeah so that's my fish story that's my uh one of the other things i have is kind of a listy thing it is oh yeah so i decided to do some more uh terms for fears you know phobias we did this before in a previous episode and i found some other ones very interesting ones I just want to be clear like this is just for fun like I have no desire to make fun of people who have real phobias and who really are you know who have irrational fears who are afraid of something because I have a few phobias and I take them pretty seriously and I know people who have phobias but mostly these are just it's interesting to me that there's a name for everything you know I just love the fact that there's a word for everything and so It's also interesting to me that you could literally, just like you could literally be allergic to anything, you could literally be afraid of anything. So here's my list. So first one is tapophobia. And that's the fear of being buried alive, specifically.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. That's a, you know, not a bad thing. I can see
SPEAKER_02:that
SPEAKER_00:one. Yeah. There were quite a few famous people who were afraid of this, actually. I think I'd have to do the research. I think George Washington was one of them. But there were quite a few famous people who were afraid of being buried alive. And there was a sort of trend in the fear of being buried alive, I believe in the, I want to say 17 to 1800s. And that led to a lot of really interesting mausoleums and coffins and burial practices. Okay. Yeah. Like the, I don't know if you ever saw like the bell. That's one of the possible origins of, the term saved by the bell but it's not necessarily proven is that they used to have like on your on your grave there would be like a system of maybe like a rope and there would be a bell just in case you woke up already six feet under you could ring the bell you know pull the rope and ring the bell somebody could come and hopefully very quickly
SPEAKER_03:yeah
SPEAKER_00:dig you out they also had sort of like a periscope type of tube system where you could just kind of check on the person every now and then just to make sure they're decomposing instead of instead of still being alive um and of course that's also the main reason the main thing uh that came out of being afraid to be buried alive is just the tradition of having a wake
SPEAKER_03:you know
SPEAKER_00:i mean you there's kind of a reason why in a lot of our practices uh you're way that you have in your burials, usually like three days later, depending. And you would have the body lying in state, usually in the house, for like three days. And it was for multiple reasons. You know, you come and visit your loved one and say your goodbyes and all of that, but also just to make sure they didn't wake up. So that's what was it? Tapophobia. Nobophobia which I guess is probably a new one is the fear of being without your phone. Now, I don't know if you have that phobia, but I definitely have anxiety about being away from my phone. I'm better than I was, but I definitely, I don't go anywhere without it anymore. So it's kind of weird.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. You know, actually that's kind of the reasoning and the advantage to having a cell phone is that, It's always with you. And if it's not with you, to me, it's never been the way that they portray it. You know, the skeptics is that you can't be away from the phone and somebody may call you. I don't always look at it that way. Right. I look at it as a way to be in contact if needed. Right. And not just because. You could get help if
SPEAKER_00:you needed
SPEAKER_02:to.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Locate you now that there's GPS attached to phones. Somebody could locate you if you're not able to communicate.
SPEAKER_02:Right. So it's not, you know, it's not this, you know, skeptics and critics will say, oh, you can't be away from your phone. You know, what about this? You're not going to miss any messages or stuff like that. And I'm sure that there are folks that are like that. But my look on it, and maybe it's the old-fashioned look, is that It's simply a device that you can be in contact, can be contacted when it's important or relevant or whatever you want to call it. You know, that's where I look at it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. And I used to have, I don't have too much anxiety around my phone, but I did have a lot of anxiety when I used to live in Ocala and work in St. Augustine because it was quite a long drive. but also the route I took was through the national forest and for most of that time I had no signal
SPEAKER_03:right
SPEAKER_00:and I was just it was at night usually because I'm going home my concern was if anything if I hit a deer if my car broke down or if anything happened to me on the way Richard wouldn't know until the next day when he woke up and I wasn't there because I couldn't couldn't reach out you know and there's nobody around there nobody lives there the only people who are around there are the people trying to speed by you at 7 000 miles an hour so i guess maybe one of them might slow down and help me but you never know they might not and they might not know who i am if i'm incapacitated so they might not be able to help me so yeah and richard tried to me i remember he tried to make me feel better he's like well if i wake up and you're not there i'll know where you are and i'll just you know head that way yeah i'm like well that's that's, that's good. I like that. But yeah, so that was, that was my anxiety about that. Uh, let's see. Oh, erythrophobia is the fear of blushing. It's kind of sweet actually.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe fear of embarrassment is a larger thing, but I, I do get embarrassed when I blush because I actually do blush a lot. And it's usually when I'm making a joke or something. Cause I'm like, I'm too proud of my own jokes. You know, most of the time, I'm too focused. Like, cause I'm trying to consciously, I'm trying to consciously impress somebody if I'm making a joke or something. And so the pressure is on. And of course my face turns bright red whenever I do that. It's pretty silly. I hate it, but I don't have a fear of it. Okay. Okay. This one is going to take me a minute to pronounce. It is. I'm just going to do it slow. Hexa. Kosio. Hexie. Hexaphobia. Easy for you to say. Right? Yeah. That is the fear of the number 666.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. 666 is, yeah, that's a superstition.
SPEAKER_00:It is a superstition. Do you know about the number 666? I mean, you may know. There's not as many people. That's another cultural shift we've had. There's not as many people afraid of that that I've noticed. But it hasn't been that long since working in retail. If your total at the register was 666, people would run off and grab something else to buy. They would not allow that to be their total. And these were perfectly rational people just being terrified. But yeah, so 666 is the mark of the beast and all that jazz. But whenever it comes up, and it does come up every once in a while, I learned... several years ago watching a documentary it was a documentary about it was a literary documentary and specifically about biblical stuff and about all of this and historical things and ancient texts and and most scholars at least at the time of this documentary they had determined that the whole 666 thing and the whole uh antichrist thing it was more of an allegory and so when you're talking about 666 they had some numerology explanations for it that i don't remember but instead of referring to the actual antichrist they were actually referring to uh nero the emperor nero because The emperor Nero was famously and infamously very cruel to Christians. If you remember anything about ancient Roman history,
SPEAKER_03:uh, Christians,
SPEAKER_00:Christians being fed to lions and such, that was him. And so I think it was one of those, it was one of those things where in their texts and in their writing, they were basically saying, fuck this guy, but they were doing it in such a way that they wouldn't be caught. So So they're saying this guy is the real devil because he's a horrible, terrible person and we hate him. But over the years, the message was kind of lost. And now there are some people in a superstitious way who think that it's still an unlucky number and it actually refers to the actual devil. The devil, right? Yeah, yeah. So I try to alleviate people's fears whenever they get a little nervous about paying$6.66 for something. But... um let's see so porphyrophobia is the next one
SPEAKER_02:and what is this
SPEAKER_00:it is it is the fear of the color purple oh okay i love the color purple so i'm kind of sad about that but do you have you ever heard of porphyria the the condition porphyria
SPEAKER_02:no
SPEAKER_00:it was um
SPEAKER_02:the name's familiar but i'm not sure
SPEAKER_00:yeah and it's familiar because it shows up in history stuff because it's one of those inherent diseases that happened with royalty quite a few times so you remember Mad King George one of the theories is that he had porphyria and one of the reasons it's called porphyria is because your urine if you hold it up to the sun if it sits in the sun for a couple minutes it turns purple and that's one of the signs of the disease it's an inherited disease and it's inherited it's all through that English, uh, Royal line, unfortunately, especially when they were doing a lot more, uh, inbreeding in the Royal families of different countries. So, uh, Queen Victoria was a carrier of it. And one of her daughters had porphyria and it's also the same kind of, you know, like she, she also had the genes that, uh, that were responsible for, um, Oh, hemophilia.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00:Uh, which is also in the royal family as you know like the uh the romanovs that the youngest son had hemophilia and that was because uh one of the romanovs um wife was i think the daughter or the granddaughter of queen victoria so queen victoria gave all that stuff of course she was german but that's how all of that got into the into the british royal line okay yeah Queen Victoria, give it, you know, and also when you have a whole, you know, you're, you're marrying cousins, even though they're from different countries, the cousins are marrying each other. So these countries can have, have alliances, but every Royal family is related. So it can cause problems after a while. And that was one of the problems that it caused. Yeah. And also, you know, Queen Victoria had like nine children. So like, if you have a whole bunch of kids, it's just going to add to the issue.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you're bound to have something come up, And if there is something that's in the family that's hereditary, they all get it
SPEAKER_00:too. Yeah, exactly. The rest of these are actually not real phobias. They're like created to be humorous, but they're using the English language to create the word because most medical conditions and phobias do come from like a logical place, you know, like the origin of it. Like I said, porphyria coming from the word for purple, that kind of thing. So these ones are just humorous, but they're written in such a way that they look authentic. So this one is called Ibophobia, and it's spelled A-I-B-O-H-P-H-O-B-I-A. And folks, if you're not driving while you're listening, you can write that down and then look at the word because it's a palindrome. And Ibophobia is the fear of palindromes. So it's a palindrome. It is spelled backwards and forwards, makes the same word. Yes. I like that one. This one is something that a lot of us probably have, and it's Arachibutyrophobia. Arachibutyrophobia. is a racky butyrophobia it's the fear of peanut butter being stuck to the roof of your mouth okay yeah you know that's this is what like i don't eat creamy peanut butter for that reason it's i don't like the texture of creamy peanut butter at all i only eat chunky peanut butter it doesn't get stuck to the roof of my mouth and it's i don't like that um and let's see oh this one's this one's my favorite and this is the last one at a die day phobia okay it's the fear of being stared at by a duck
SPEAKER_02:yeah that's scary
SPEAKER_00:right right uh and this actually appeared in uh the far side comic so it was made up by gary larson um like okay yeah i being stared at by anything can be unnerving i imagine i mean but i'm stared at by my cats all the time and so Sometimes I'm like, what? Like, what's the matter? Like, what's wrong? They're just
SPEAKER_02:looking at me. Yeah. The dog does the same thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Right? And you're wondering what the problem is. Yeah. Right? But I guess it's better than when you have an animal, it's better to be stared at than watching your animal stare at, say, a random corner of the wall. Right. Because then you're like, okay, what is it? What do you see? Is it a bug? Yeah. Is it a mouse? Is it ghosts? Like, I don't know. Like it could be anything. It's probably shadows, but
SPEAKER_03:I
SPEAKER_00:mean, my cat, two of my cats have cataracts now. And so they're constantly like making weird faces at the wall. You know, they're like, what was that? What was that? And I'm like, ah, what's going on? I think there's cockroaches. You know what I mean?
UNKNOWN:I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:oh
SPEAKER_00:my goodness but yeah so those are my those are those are my those are my fears those are all my fears
SPEAKER_02:those are your fears while you were doing that and you said that the purple fear it just
SPEAKER_00:yeah
SPEAKER_02:is the way my mind works it's something trivia came up the other day and I think you know the answer to this is why pill bottles the color the color of pill bottles are orange why is that
SPEAKER_00:some of them Yeah, it's because of light, because a lot of medications can be degraded by sunlight.
SPEAKER_02:UV.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, UV rays. And some of them actually, amber is the more common color now
SPEAKER_03:for
SPEAKER_00:bottles, but there are still some that are green, and there are some that are blue. Target had the red ones, but it's all for the same reason, just to protect them from the light.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so they don't degrade. Yeah. It has a secondary advantage. It's so that you can see the pills inside.
SPEAKER_00:Well, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And because I think at one point they had thought to use black.
SPEAKER_00:All right. Or just or just something you can't see through at all. Like, right. Just a solid.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It gets you a disadvantage because you can't see what's in the bottle itself, which which is an advantage from two different standpoints. One standpoint is how many are left and the other is the shape of the pills because a lot of pills frequently you find pills the same shape but a lot of pills are different shapes
SPEAKER_00:oh sure oh they definitely are yeah yeah I actually I had somebody somebody was really upset at me the other day I mean she really wasn't really upset she was just upset at the world because we have a different manufacturer of her medicine and now it's like a round white pill. And she's like, do you know how many pills are white and round? I'm like, well, yes, I do. But she was upset because now so many of her pills are white and round. And she was kind of glad that one of them wasn't, and now it's not. I mean, I get it. I understand. If you're just throwing them in an organizer, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know, and I think, as we've discussed before, you know, when they change manufacturers, the manufacturer will have a different shape or a different color.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yes. And that's on purpose, by the way. You want to have a different something because it's very important not to be confused with something else.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so that's why there's markings on all prescription medications so that they can't be confused or, you know, ultimately confused with something else.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Well, you know, you think about it and I think we all have had this when you're a loading up your pill case and you have a coordination attack and the pills are all over the place and you look at it okay there's two pink pills that are the same
SPEAKER_00:yeah which
SPEAKER_02:you
SPEAKER_00:know well you know used to be that you would put them all together in one bottle and bring them to me and I would sort it all out because I used to do that on almost a daily basis with people but nowadays there are tons of free apps on your phone. Or you don't even have to commit to an app. You can just Google pill identifier and pick one. And the markings of all the major pills are right there. So you can actually sort those out yourself now.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. I've used that myself on occasion where, like I said, you have a coordination attack and you've got pills all over the place and now you're trying to sort them out I logically, if there's some left in the pill bottle of a certain type, I just compare it. But if I don't have some left of a certain type, then I will use an online search to see the pill and you can zoom in on it and see what the markers are.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. No, it's really smart to do that because, I mean, I do know that pill organizers help a lot of people. I know that they serve a really good purpose, but they can also cause A lot of problems if you're
SPEAKER_02:not careful, you know. than a half hour or you can't eat in an hour or something. All different kinds of things. I'm lucky that I don't have to run into that, but I can see where that can be a problem. That's why I remember Sue's mom, she would have morning, midday, and nighttime pill organizer.
SPEAKER_00:The other advantage to a pill organizer is not just to remember to take them, but to remember that you did take them. Because that's I mean I when I was younger I didn't quite understand that somebody could forget whether they've taken a pill or not but it's actually very common to think oh I haven't taken that yet and then just take it and you've already taken it and that can cause a big issue for you depending on what the medication is you know
SPEAKER_02:yeah and you know different of us have different ways of organizing basically how our mind works you know some folks are very regimented and what they do hey I get up in the morning I take my pills I go to bed at night I take my pills you know I take certain pills some people are regimented that way but other folks who are easily distracted anything anything just throws them off they get up in the morning somebody says good morning to them it's like they're off you know
SPEAKER_00:yeah forget it I mean and some people are naturally chaotic and other people have a genuine issue that makes them forgetful or forget things and so yeah I get understand how that would be they used to have some really good gadgets back in the day like they had the pill bottle covers that had a little clock on them a little timer tell you when to take it but those are a little pricey and you know set your timer on your phone when to take stuff you know you can do that
SPEAKER_02:yeah exactly you know that's you can do that I mean now the way technology is and the way the phones are now that you can literally set up multiple times during the day if you need that to keep yourself organized and to Taking your pills or doing any number of things.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. I, uh, one podcast that I listened to, uh, I don't, I don't know if she still has it cause it doesn't go off during the episode, but she had a timer on her like Apple watch that would remind her to breathe. Like, and they have, uh, uh, they have water, water reminders too, which I, many people would argue that I should use, but I, I'm not going to, I, I hate water, so.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know, the argument is particularly, you know, if you're in a warm climate or if you're exercising or anything, it's to be hydrated. And hydration is twofold. It's the day before and the day of. I think a lot of us, myself, I have the challenge too with being hydrated. However, I believe, and I think it's been borne out by facts, that I drink coffee. If you drink coffee or tea, it's a liquid. So you are getting hydrated.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. And they've shown that the amount of caffeine in sodas and coffee is not enough to dehydrate you, which is what they used to tell you. Oh, coffee will dehydrate you. It's not enough. It doesn't dehydrate you as much. It's not like dandelions. But I use the same argument that you use. I mean, I drink lots and lots and lots Lots of Diet Dr. Pepper. And I think I get plenty of fluids throughout the day. And I do drink water now, but I drink a particular brand of water that has like flavoring in it because I just can't do plain water. I just can't.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I do the seltzer water, as you know. Yeah, those are good. And drink water. I used to drink orange juice with my Pilsen wine, but now I just do water. And so again, Getting it in, but I think it's still not enough. And I find what's interesting is that frequently when you go get your blood drawn from the doctor's office, you know, after they look at the results, they say, hey, you know, you got to hydrate more. So one particular doctor I was with said to me before you in the morning that you're doing your blood draw, drink water.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:And it's interesting that nobody has said that before because it makes so much
SPEAKER_00:sense. Oh, they always said it to me because my veins are like little tricksters. They hide and they roll around and stuff. It's very hard to draw my blood. So they tell me to stay well hydrated before a blood draw. And so I would drink what for me is too much liquid before a blood draw. And it was like uncomfortable. It's like sloshing around in my stomach. And then I sit down in the chair and they're like, you're dehydrated. I'm like, I don't know what more I could do. You want to hook me up to like an IV or something? Because I just can't. I just can't do it. I can't drink the amount of water that they expect me to drink. Anyhow.
SPEAKER_02:True or false? The croissant was first created to commemorate a victory over the Ottoman Empire.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I know it's from that area, so I would say probably true. It is true.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Many historians believe the croissant was created not in France,
SPEAKER_03:but
SPEAKER_02:in Vienna. Oh, Vienna. I thought it was Turkey. And its shape mimicked the flag of Ottoman forces defeated during the Battle of Vienna.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, so that's why it's associated with... the Ottoman Empire is the whole Turkish thing. Very interesting. Yes, it's a crescent. Very
SPEAKER_02:interesting, but stupid. Here's another one that's stupid. Speaking of stupid. In Paris in 1924, a car with a large shovel attached to the front was tested. Its purpose? To safely push jaywalkers out of the way. You know, other variations of the idea were tested in the early 1900s as well as including a car with rollers on the front in which the car trapped pedestrian on the hood of the car. Oh, man.
SPEAKER_00:Bumper cars at this point. Bumper cars. That's great. I've seen things like that. And I've also seen like the one that has like a little arm that goes out, you know, like a school bus has the arm that goes out so that you're not running over the kids knocking them over if you pass by the bus yeah
SPEAKER_02:that's interesting how the school bus is what they I was talking to someone recently about you know what they go through for being a school bus driver and all the things that they have to do and you know stuff that we didn't even realize well I didn't realize was going on I mean logically Basically, you count the kids coming off, you count the kids going on, on, off, either way. And recently, I think we may have talked about this at the last podcast, where they've introduced here in Florida, the kids have badges. And as they get on the bus, they scan it. And when they get off the bus, they scan it. So you know if your kid has gotten on and off the bus. It's really kind of a, I think it's a really kind of a cool idea. And it's an app that all the parents in that particular district can have so that they can know that kids got on and off the bus. And if the kid didn't get off the bus, hello, that tells you something.
SPEAKER_00:Well, and of course, I mean, nowadays you have tracking apps for your family and stuff now that we didn't quite have. There was Justice in the beginning stages when Bev was little of being able to track your kids because everybody was thinking of it as like a bizarre thing. But, you know, I mean, if you think about it in terms of safety, it's really, really good because we can't just lock up our kids forever until they turn 18. We just can't. We need to get back to being safe. It
SPEAKER_02:really is, you know, and this was, when I saw that, I goes, man, that's really, that's tremendous because all it takes is one story of a kid being left on the bus or,
SPEAKER_00:you
SPEAKER_02:know,
SPEAKER_00:getting off at the wrong place or the wrong place. And so something happening to them. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Right. And the other thing, which I thought was interesting just as a sidebar was that every parent prior to the start of ski season, if the kid gets picked up by a bus, they have to have orientation and the orientation tells them the rules. And one of the rules, which when I, think when i hear it i think about it i say okay this makes sense is that parents on the other side of the street and they call the kid over yeah i'm supposed not supposed to do that
SPEAKER_00:yeah also talking to the bus driver for 25 minutes when you're dropping your kid off not supposed
SPEAKER_02:to do that all that stuff rules yeah which is it's all about the safety of the kids because that's really you know that's when they are yeah vulnerable you know uh so that and you know a lot of I think not a lot. There's one particular, I think it might be Volusia County that has, they were either trying to get it approved or they got approved where they would have cameras. So if someone went by the bus when it was stopped, they would get their license number and they could ticket them. And I think that's very, I think it's very important because so many times, you know, you see the dumbasses, sorry, I don't mean the dumbass, No,
SPEAKER_00:they are dumb asses. And they're like edging, edging, creeping, creeping. They're like, I got to get past this bus. I'm like, you know what, dude, just just chill for a second. Like you're not going to get there any faster. Listen, I know I've tried going faster on my way to work and it still takes the same amount of time.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And to me, it's when you think about these, you know, installing cameras and this happened that I was talking about so many times that folks are short sighted. it, there will be people that are short-sighted about this and say, oh, this is going to cost us a lot of money. I say, you know, if something happened to one of your children or your grandchildren, you wouldn't care how much of having this safety device in place, you'd have a different perspective on it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you say they should have done something different. Then you end up suing them, which, by the way, also costs a lot of money.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know, they'll have like, you know, not have crossing guards and certain areas and some people, why do we have them? Well, you have them to stop the zipper heads or whatever you want to call them from running over kids because the kid's in a crosswalk. And even if, to me, sometimes if you have a crossing guide and you're not quite in the crosswalk going across, you're still protected. You should be protected by the fact that the crossing guide is there and you have to respect that. So all it takes Texas won. Anyways, we digressed on that one. I've got one last one. What were you going to say?
SPEAKER_00:I said it was fun. It was fun. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:yeah. One last one. Yes. Anyways, Paul Revere wasn't just a hero of the Revolutionary War. He was also America's first forensic dentist.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. I think I heard about that. Something made me do a deep dive on Paul Revere once And he was quite a polymath, that guy.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he used his skills to identify the dead from teeth. That's really cool.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, he was a pewter guy too, wasn't he? Didn't he like make...
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he made pewter
SPEAKER_00:things.
SPEAKER_02:You'll have, there's a brand name of... He was a pewtersmith. He was a silversmith. Yes. Yeah. There are... Paul Revere wear. They had pans and stuff that Paul Revere wear. And they're based on the technology that really came down from what he did. It wasn't just him. He was quite diverse in that regard.
SPEAKER_00:That's really cool. I like that. And you know, of course, about the poem about Paul Revere was written more than 100 years after. And so And I guess there was a, there's a joke about the fact that it wasn't, it wasn't really, it wasn't just Paul Revere. It was multiple people. You know, they did like the whole baton, the baton pass type of thing, you know, getting the word spread out, the British were coming. But for the poem, it just, Paul Revere sounded better than some of the other names. And so that's
SPEAKER_02:why. That's why it was Paul Revere, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But that's okay. You know, he still is a very interesting person, so. Yeah. So that's neat.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And I think, I don't know, did you ever visit a Polyvia house in the North End?
SPEAKER_00:I never did. No, but we talked about it several episodes ago. I looked at a bunch of pictures and it is really cool. I love that these houses that are super old in the city are still preserved. It just looks so funny because it's just like a wooden house next to a bunch of like concrete. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It does look funny.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. But that's cool. I like that. And I like that they, I like that they preserve old houses and, and of course that, that house, that location had a different history as well. We talked about that before it was the Paul Revere house. So yeah, very neat. I have something that you may, that you possibly may find interesting, but also possibly may know a lot about it. It pertains to photography.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I've already watched little documentaries on this or even just little segments of TV shows. And I've definitely read articles about this, but I thought I'd put them all together in a little list. This is about some of the weird tricks they use in food photography, like specifically for advertising. I don't know if you've ever seen a little snippet on the news about it or on a different show about the kind of weird stuff they do to make food look palatable. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:I think I might have seen one or two things about it. And taking picture of real food doesn't necessarily give the same oomph that it would if you're there experiencing it. So they have to really zhuzh it up. They basically have to do a glamour shots session for these food items to make them look as appealing as possible. And you've all seen it. You watch an advertisement for McDonald's and you're like, those burgers don't look like that anyway.
SPEAKER_02:Well, you remember that from people come and say, my burger doesn't look like
SPEAKER_00:yeah exactly but when you look at that in the commercial it makes you want it right because it's like oh that looks so good um and so that's the idea uh so they have to do some things and of course the mechanics of photography or doing a photo like a photo session uh you're in a studio with lights it's not really it's not always really practical to work with food you know it's really kind of difficult to work with food it's almost worse than like animals or babies, uh, because there can be problems. Right. Um, so they, they came up with these tricks to make, make it easier on themselves, but still give the appeal, uh, that they want. So for pancakes or waffles, you can picture like an ad and this pertains to video as well, but mostly photographs. If you look at a photograph of like a really nice big stack of pancakes or waffles with like the syrup, you know, and it looks so good and you can almost taste it. Uh, that syrup is usually uh motor oil okay just because it photographs better than real syrup yeah um it just looks better on camera uh also ice cream for obvious reasons it's really hard to photograph ice cream and make it look good because it's gonna melt it's gonna look terrible so they either they used to use crisco actually quite a lot um but now most of the photographers use mashed potatoes um with an ice cream scoop and food coloring you know to make all the different flavors that you want um they use if you see a nice beautiful bowl of cereal usually it's like the spoon is up and like there's a little dripping of the milk down you've got that cereal all in this it looks so good that's usually elmer's glue instead of milk because it it's whiter than milk and it looks much better on camera than real milk and also it won't spoil and just be gross and the cereal won't get all mushy and soggy so if you're looking at a steak or a burger you want to have those nice beautiful grill marks usually those are painted on with shoe polish okay and if you're looking at like a bowl of like nice berries like blueberries or like raspberries and they have all you know that you want them to be like nice and shiny they'll usually spray them with either hairspray or spray on deodorant to make them look all shiny interestingly though if you're looking at pizza and you know somebody lifting up like a piece of pizza and the cheese just perfectly stretched that's usually real mozzarella because it works better than anything else they tried most photographers will say so at least there's that I don't know anything about the toppings they might be fake if you looking at a cold drink, you're talking beer, soda, water, anything, the condensation that's on the outside is usually glycerin because it isn't going to just disappear, melt, drip as much. Speaking of beer, if you want to make that glass of beer or mug of beer look extra foamy with the head on the top, you can use soap, which is Some photographers do because that's the easy way. Or you can actually use salt and that'll actually do it more naturally. A
SPEAKER_02:bit of trivia.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Is in Cheers. Oh. That's what they did in Cheers.
SPEAKER_00:They use salt like on the set?
SPEAKER_02:That's on the set, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that makes sense because, you know, at least if you put a little bit of salt in it, you could still have the actors drink it. Soap, not so much, right? If you have like you've seen this in in uh sue's magazines i'm sure if she's showing you a picture of a really nice like super abyss and it has all the nice garnishes on the top like that
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_00:uh that might be difficult to photograph because that stuff will sink to the bottom you know pretty quickly while you're trying to photograph it so all they do is they just put a little ramekin inside the bowl and then that way your toppings can sit on top of the ramekin so they don't sink to the bottom
SPEAKER_01:oh
SPEAKER_00:okay yeah so that's that's pretty clever i think um whipped cream is usually shaving cream if you see like a sunday or yeah anything with whipped cream is usually shaving cream because again it's not going to separate or melt under the hot lights um and you i i definitely saw this one many times before but if you see like a nice roasted chicken or a turkey it's usually painted um they used to use soy sauce like to paint it just to have a nice little brownish color but nowadays like a lot of them just use wood stain
SPEAKER_03:yeah
SPEAKER_00:um if you're looking at a picture of a margarita uh usually they'll put like vaseline on the rim uh to hold the salt on it's more stable i guess and if you're looking at a picture of strawberries you notice they don't usually look like grocery store strawberries like where's all those white spots that random strawberries Well, they usually just touch them up with lipstick. to keep you're not using hot food so there's no steam and so it's very hard to like keep that steam going so sometimes they will just soak tampons in water and put them in the microwave and then just keep microwaving them and then putting them like behind the dish in the steam and they use cotton balls too but tampons work better because they're very absorbent so which I thought was really good so you know yeah So they don't have to use like a fog machine, you
SPEAKER_02:know, interesting techniques.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you find that interesting. And I, I remember years ago watching something on PBS where they were doing that. And, and they, they also talked about particularly fast food because they had this guy, like he was, he like literally took a real burger patty, but he only seared it. He didn't really cook it. Right. And then he, cut a triangle out of it and then spread it out so that it looked bigger in the bun. And then he only had toppings on the outside of the bun so that you can see him kind of hanging out. And then this dude literally took sesame seeds and glued them to the bun. The bun had a normal amount of sesame seeds, but of course you want it to look as photogenic as possible. So they glued, like with tweezers, they're individually putting sesame seeds on the bun to make it look as awesome as possible. Oh yeah. Yeah. And like the, you know, you wouldn't want to eat any of that stuff that they're photographing. So absolutely not. Yeah. And there's a whole other, there's a whole other industry for food that's used in like movies and TV because that actually gets consumed a lot. And that's a, that's for another day. But I do know a couple of those cause they talked about that in some of those articles too. Like, you know, tea for whiskey and such, you know,
SPEAKER_02:Well, it's funny you say that because that is a very popular thing and probably wasn't just in Vietnam. But, you know, you would have these bars, if you will, they're really not bars, where you could go and chat with all the local girls.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah,
SPEAKER_02:the tea rooms, right? The tea rooms. And they would be drinking tea. Yeah. So that, you know, they'll say we're drinking a lot of tea. And, you know, obviously, and you, you know, you pay for it, you know, pay for each one, you know, and if they really like you, you know, they don't, they don't drink all the tea, you know, and then they come back, they jump to somebody else and then come back and still have the tea. And
SPEAKER_00:I imagine a business like that. It, it had many layers of, it had many layers of innocence involved. Right. You could you could you could literally have a chat with somebody, but I'm sure depending on the neighborhood, there were opportunities for other types of things and they had to read the room as far as what you wanted. Yeah, well,
SPEAKER_02:yeah, that's true. Except that the way the military would control that part of it was they would have those places on the base. Ah, yeah. And they would be controlled. controlled in terms of the girls that were there. They would have to pass security and background checks, and that would be part, and it was definitely run by the military as a way to give you someplace safe where if that was your interest is just to talk to somebody, that would be, cool you know and they just help help you feel more secure in doing that
SPEAKER_00:well that is nice actually and you know not to be you know like to be completely unjaded it is a very sweet thing because I can you know it's kind of like if you're if you're like a stay-at-home parent and you just you need to talk to somebody who's not a child after like three weeks of being stuck in your house or whatever I imagine it's the same if you're on a military base like sometimes you just want to talk about something that isn't your job and isn't the military and isn't whatever political stuff is going on or whatever it is and you want to relate to somebody who doesn't you just want to talk to somebody about stuff yeah
SPEAKER_02:you know and the thing of it is is that you know a lot of times they they're schooled you know to to ask you questions and they probably, you know, they probably interested in, you know, where you came from and how you lived and, you know, what your, you know, how you grew up and stuff like that, which is quite different from their environment and how they grew up.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, sure. And also how different all the areas of the United States are must have been fascinating to these ladies. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. And a lot of them, I'm sure, because a lot of people came over to the U.S. after. a lot of people might have been interested in you know moving over so yeah
SPEAKER_02:well yeah i think they were you know
SPEAKER_00:i'm not saying they were fishing for husbands but i'm just mean i just mean like you know some of them wanted to get information because it sounded like a really cool place to be to them you know
SPEAKER_02:no that is also a way for them to make money too so
SPEAKER_00:oh sure oh
SPEAKER_02:sure
SPEAKER_00:yeah uh did you ever did you ever learn about uh tippy hedren
SPEAKER_02:no
SPEAKER_00:yeah she she did a lot So she used to go over with like the USO. whatever, whatever have you, you know, like war is pretty awful for the country that you're living in. You know, if it's in a war, she actually like made a foundation and she, she facilitated the immigration of like tons of Vietnamese women and helped set them up in the nail businesses. And that's why there's a lot of Vietnamese owned nail salons in the U S it's because it did be head for wanting to get her nails done. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, yeah, yeah. And of course, we know who she is. I mean, she's, you know, she's famous. And, you know, sometimes you wonder about famous actors and actresses. And it's really nice to hear a little bit more of a diverse story about them rather than just I'm a famous, gorgeous person. You know, she, you know, she had her trials and tribulations. And she's, I mean, she's Melanie Griffith's mom. But she, you know, she had a lot of harassment. in her life from her director and she had a really rough go of acting you know she had a hard time but it was really cool that she she did some some good works for people and made some people's lives better in the way that they wanted them to be which is cool these women really wanted to have these careers and they and they own businesses
SPEAKER_02:you
SPEAKER_00:know cool yeah it's really neat good stuff is that all we have for today you think
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SPEAKER_02:Listen, I had this date last night. It was perfect. Tomorrow, I'll have a grape. So dumb. What did one blanket say when it fell off the bed?
SPEAKER_00:What?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, sheet.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, sheet. I'm sorry. That's like You remember stripes?
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SPEAKER_00:With son of beach and sheet. Sorry.
SPEAKER_02:What was even more useful than the first telephone? The second telephone. There you go. That's it. You know, I'm afraid for the calendar. It's days are numbered.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yes. You know, that's one.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. And I went to this doctor with a suspicious looking mole. They said they all look like that way. And I should have just left them in the garden.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you should. Wow. Is that a Reader's Digest one? It feels like it, doesn't it? Yes. Oh, my God. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Oh,
SPEAKER_00:was that all of them?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. You should do a ba-dum-bump afterwards, but we don't always do that.
SPEAKER_00:You know, maybe I will set up a soundboard and we can do crickets. Yeah. All right, folks. folks. That is all for us. We will see you in two weeks. Bye. Very good. Bye-bye.
SPEAKER_01:Personally,
SPEAKER_02:I guess the baby doesn't know any better, but I wouldn't want to be the last one.
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